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Topic: Dammaging an IndustryPosted: 20 July 2004 at 2:00pm |
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WHY? I used to do just what some of you advocate here. Yes, I downloaded a few tracks from Napster and the others. Yes, I said a few tracks. Well, I went out and bought the CD due to the crappy quality of the download anyway. Due to my stupidity and the rest of you out there, condoning the ripping of CDs and streams are killing the artists, record and broadcast industry. Due to this stupidity, our broadcast costs have almost tripled due to the fees we have to pay and now. For those that of you that don’t have a clue, we now have someone that should have no rights collecting fees, and that someone is the Library of Congress also known as CARP. Again, I repeat due to my stupidity in the beginning and the rest of you stateside or offshore that probably will never figure this out are screwing yourselves, the artists, record labels, and the broadcast industry. Why do you think most of your favorite radio stations disappeared from streaming on the internet? Well, for those that can’t add 1+1 without stamping their foot four times, it’s due to the skyrocketing fees that are being charged now to broadcasters. My fees now are in excess of 72 to 100 K a year due to this entire BS ripping (stealing) of music. I have over 300 CDs in my personal collection, which I use for my broadcast station. Every one of these CDs is paid for out of my own pocket. I am still buying music for my listeners and my listening pleasure. In addition, for the days of my stupidity of downloading, I ended up buying the CD anyway. What a waist of time that was downloading one song form an artist’s CD when the whole CD is filled with quality sounding tracks from that artist that are just as good or better then the download track. I belong to a CD resale company that has excellent prices. They are a bit thin on some artists and record labels that I would like to buy, so I go elsewhere to purchase what I need. Thanks for reading this. |
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Posted: 22 July 2004 at 4:46am |
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I agree with you all the way. |
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Fragyman
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Posted: 29 July 2004 at 11:39am |
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One Question:
What do u say to those ppl, who record musik from the radio on tape? Do They steal musik??? And What do u say to those ppl, who record their famous films on video tape? Do they steal films? I dont think recording a radio is stealing. its even hard work to get the title, u want. And the stations have already payed for the musik, they buy the musik for public usage (i dont know the right english word) like the "real" radio stations. they serv it for u, so why dont just take it? i think the real problems are shared files on networks like shareaza or kazaa. but ive never downloaded on such platforms. ive recorded my musik on tape. but now there is no good musik left on these stations. So i decided, to continue record my music, but now the music comes from inet not from the air... |
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Posted: 30 July 2004 at 12:54pm |
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Posted: 31 July 2004 at 7:30pm |
Should mean??? |
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Posted: 05 August 2004 at 5:45pm |
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Well Broadcaster,
I dont know who you are or why you are boradcasting music at all. I Read your post in its entirity and I have to say I dont understand your problem. I like programs like Napster, I use BitTorrent and yes I now use Station Ripper. I guess my question to you is why are you brodcasting over the internet? If its to reatch people well you are, If its to change people with music you are its just that now its way more effective and long lasting. If you cant aford to broad cast music than you shouldnt. I just started ripping radio stations this week and the reason it because I want to find good music and buy it. Its that simple. So we hurt the internet radio station. what are they there for "to be lisstened to" were not hurting it were giving them an audience. Its not stealing either its one of the few legal ways to download music. |
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Posted: 09 August 2004 at 8:08am |
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BigRed, youre right!
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Posted: 23 August 2004 at 9:37am |
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From Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blank_media_tax): 17 USC 1008 (http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/1008.html), from the Audio Home Recording Act of 1992, says that non-commercial copying by consumers of digital and analog musical recordings is not copyright infringement. Non-commercial includes such things as resale not in the course of business, perhaps of normal use working copies which are no longer wanted. It's unlikey to include resale of copies in bulk and Napster tried to use the Section 1008 defence but was rejected because it was a business. From House Report No. 102-873(I), September 17, 1992: "In the case of home taping, the [Section 1008] exemption protects all noncommercial copying by consumers of digital and analog musical recordings" . From House Report No. 102-780(I), August 4, 1992: "In short, the reported legislation [Section 1008] would clearly establish that consumers cannot be sued for making analog or digital audio copies for private noncommercial use". |
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Posted: 30 August 2004 at 11:16am |
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all it's also depending on the laws of each country! For example recording from a german Radio Station is totally legal, since I already paid my GEZ Fee(radio and TV fee) I am allowed to record Music from radio stations! From Internet? I don't know! Is it a radio Station should be totally legal, is it a illegal Stream? is it illegal of course too!
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echoy97
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Posted: 01 September 2004 at 6:57am |
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no one is gonna read your message if you make it that loooong.
How long have you been a broadcaster ? You don't know in the old days, people were using cassette recorder copy songs from radio, and use VCR to copy movies from rental tape or dvd ? |
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Posted: 04 September 2004 at 5:26pm |
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Why I “steal” music: I’ve spent way too much money on one-track-wonders. You know the kind. The track of the CD that got airtime sounded good, but the rest of the CD sucked. (I’m looking at you, Chumbawumba). I’ve spent way too much money buying music I already owned: greatest hits CD’s with two previously unreleased tracks, “re-mastered” albums with the alternate takes that are slightly different from the original, the special box sets, and all the other gimmick releases. Then there's all the CD's I've bought to replace the records, the cassettes, and the odd 8-track or two I purchased back in the day. I’ve spent way too much money trusting an artist’s reputation. Remember when Metallica made albums that didn’t suck? I’ve spent way too much money trusting music critics’ opinions of music. Truly great music can’t be appreciated in a single listening, but crap is immediately obvious. The music industry made far more money when we all had to pay first and find out if their product was crap later. Now I have the opportunity to give a release a couple of listens before I plunk down my money (whether its 9 dollars or 90). If the music industry doesn’t like the situation they can drop the gimmicks and ensure that their product is consistently worth the price they ask. Edited by Guest |
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Posted: 07 September 2004 at 7:23pm |
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Is music stealing really a problem? No! It
does NOT hurt record sales, sales were in a NATURAL LOW. It
happens all the time! Every business has a low, cars, movies,
etc. This was just a poorly placed low, but people still got
tired of the music they were ripping, tired of the ads, tired of
whatnot, and went back to buying music. According to this article, more than before.
Stealing music is wrong, but it doesn't hurt anybody. If they gave less to the artists and more to the techies down on the floor that are maxing out the sound to "make the song louder" and working their butts off to make this CD sound louder than anyone elses. That in itself is ANOTHER rant, which has been mentioned in many places, so i won't go into it. My point is, if you're gonna steal music, be nice about it. Don't steal from someone who NEEDS the money, and don't steal just for stealing's sake. Like the music, if you like it enough, and the artist doesn't have millions, drop him/her/them a line, maybe throw in a couple bucks! |
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Posted: 07 September 2004 at 7:32pm |
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Umm.. damaging.. yeah.. BMI has reported revenues of $673 million for the 2004 fiscal year, an increase of nearly $43 million, 6.8% over the prior year. Royalties of more than $573 million were distributed to our songwriters, composers and music publishers, an increase of $40 million or 7.5% from the previous year, and the most ever paid by an American PRO." |
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Posted: 07 September 2004 at 9:53pm |
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Through station ripper I have been expose to some really iverse music-who would have thought Japanese pop or Slovakian music was so cool! I have not bought a CD in the last nine months before station ripper-and I have bought several recently. Station ripper is actually a positive thing for a morbid music industry. revolution
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Posted: 09 September 2004 at 6:53pm |
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I never heard of Peer to Peer file sharing until Metalica declared war on Napster. I grew up in the 60's on Acid Rock, so I was curious. My children re-educated me and I tuned in to Metalica. I now know that Metalica is not my thing. After listening to them I can understand why they sued. When your sound is that mediocre, you need every penny you can get. Going after Napster was just dumb. I tried KaZaA and discovered it created more problems that solved. Downloading was a royal pain. I was frequently cut-off and lost entire downloads because other sources couldn't be, found. It was slow as all get-out and ate up all of my, 40 hours for one week. Just to get one CD's worth of music. And the music... I don't think the Mill's Brothers, Cole Porter are going to sue. I just can't find what I'm looking for at Boarders or Tower. Peer to peer is just not worth it. The last straw was when I got a RAT (Remote Access Token) during a download. I burned the CD that had the KaZaA setup program and had do a full restoration of my hard drive. Radio stations are public domain and have been tape recorded over the last 40 years. Station ripping is tape recording without the tape. Those who charge for broadcasting need to find advertisers, sponsors,the old fashioned way and stop whining. The same people who charge have the same mentality as those who install pay toilets and pay air hoses at gas stations. Just plain GREEDY. |
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Posted: 12 September 2004 at 1:21am |
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Someone tell that moron that station recording music whetever digital or analog is legal for personal use
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Posted: 13 September 2004 at 10:52am |
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To all Ripping Agent Users: 56k is near FM Radio (analog), 128 is not! It's digital BIG DIFFERENCE! Using cassette recorder copy songs from radio, and use VCR to copy movies from rental tape or dvd is ANALOG!!! Ripping a 128k stream or any stream is DIGITAL! FM = Analog = Cassette (Ok Copy minus the noise) The old days don't compair to today! |
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Posted: 14 September 2004 at 9:52am |
So as long as I rip 64kb/s which according to you is Analog FM that is fine with you. So, therefor you would have no problem with me trading 64KB/s or the like on Kazaa as well.
The old days absolutely compare to today there is no difference between recording a FM radio broadcast in the 70's vs recording a internet radio broadcast today. It is still personal use which is allowed under the "Fair Use' doctrine and was reaffirmed in the "Sony vs Betamax" case. Of course as everybody knows the RIAA does not subscribe to the "Fair Use" doctrine. The only difference is the technology of the broadcast and the technology of the recording device is significantly better.
Radio stations from as far back as I can remember have paid royalties to the recording industry and yet it is legal to record them, so what is the difference now? Internet radio stations have to pay royalties just like the AM/FM stations, so what is the difference. Radio stations have to pay for expensive towers, equipment and even licensing fees to broadcast, yet it is still legal to record radio, yet Internet radio only has to pay for bandwidth. Radio offsets cost by advertising, most internet radio stations advertise as well to help offset the cost.
Anyway, what I would really like you to point out is where in the DMCA is it illegal to record internet broadcast for personal use. The DMCA only deals with the transmission of digital radio broadcast and "Ephemral" recording to facilitate digital transmission of sound recording. As long as I do not broadcast or rebroadcast my recordings I am NOT in violation of the DMCA.
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echoy97
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Posted: 18 September 2004 at 3:44am |
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Damage what industry ? Now matter how people download and steal
mp3, singers , song writers and recording companies are still making
money, a lot of money. They are making money faster than those
who are earning minum wage.
If they are really losing money, then why are there stil CDs for sale out there ? When was the last time you see a recording company file for bankrupt ? |
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Posted: 27 September 2004 at 3:21am |
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I am still attempting to figure out if station recording is legal or not..
and it's confusing to see people say both things at once.. grr.. But anyway, there is a difference between recording off a radio and recording a stream off the net: Difference between recording off a radio and off a stream is that you do not occupy a slot on a radio station. Station broadcasts waves, and everyone and their mother can listen and recod the broadcast. With internet radio, you occupy a slot, and there is a specific connection to you, via which sertain amount of data is sent, and bandwidth is used. |
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